"This isn't going to be solved in one year or three years or five years or ten years. It's going to take decades…"
We now have also wildlife species that have become dependent on these type of forests, instead of the wide-open forests that we had. So it's a juggling act on planning on how much do you cut back. But one thing is for sure, they're all a threat right now, if we don't do some mechanical thinning and some burning, we're going to lose it to wildfire. And this isn't going to be solved in one year or three years or five years or ten years. It's going to take decades, decades, because we have millions of acres in the West that are like this. It's not just a few thousand acres around Flagstaff or whatever—it's everywhere. I was down on the Mogollon Rim the other day, south of Winslow, and on Blue Ridge Ranger District…holy smoke. I mean, that's just a catastrophe waiting to happen, on some windy day, where it's going to take all that stuff.