"The forest was allowed to get so far away from what was natural, that I think it needs man to kind of push it back that direction a little bit."
Garcia Hunt: So how do you feel about the Flagstaff Plan on Urban Interface?
Bishop: From what I've read of it, I approve of it. I think it needs to be done. I consider myself a fairly strong environmentalist. But the forest was allowed to get so far away from what is natural, that I think it needs man to kind of push it back that direction a little bit. And I don't think you can say just, "Hey, it's gone to here, now hands off, we'll just leave it alone and let nature take care of it." I think you need to kind of push it back to where it used to be a little. Once you get it back there a ways, then maybe you can back off and let nature handle it all by itself. I think its gotten too far out of whack to just walk off and leave it—especially with the way population's increasing all the time, and your opportunity for having an ignition source is increasing every year.